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Katie: Good day, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the tip. And this episode tackles a tricky subject, however I feel a really, essential one in at this time’s world. And that’s the subject of intercourse trafficking. I’m right here with Jimmy Rex, who’s an unbelievable one that chooses to dwell his life in a manner the place not one second goes to waste. And for him, this implies actively being on the bottom, serving to rescue individuals from intercourse trafficking, amongst many, many, many different issues.

 

He’s at present, as an example, an energetic actual property agent with one of the vital sought out teaching packages within the nation about actual property. And he’s additionally a extremely popular speaker. He has his personal podcast known as “The Jimmy Rex Present” that reveals extraordinary individuals, dwelling extraordinary lives. And he additionally spends time attempting to make a distinction on the planet, together with as an undercover operative for varied organizations that rescue individuals from intercourse trafficking, together with quite a few very harmful journeys to different international locations to save lots of younger youngsters and youngsters.

 

And we speak about this at this time, how he’s labored on 12 completely different operations to rescue individuals, how it is a widespread downside in lots of U.S. cities and worldwide, and the way usually, once they land in a brand new place, they can discover individuals being trafficked inside simply a few hours. Why intercourse trafficking doesn’t at all times appear to be you suppose it might, and what to observe for. Why these organizations spend six occasions as a lot on aftercare than rescues, and the way they help individuals after they’re rescued. And issues like learn how to train your children to concentrate on the danger, what to look out for in your individual children and of their mates, essential boundaries to assist your children put in place so they are going to be much less in danger, tech pointers to concentrate on. How, particularly youngsters, are focused by way of expertise and social media. Some journey ideas associated to staying secure, particularly in different international locations. Vital conversations to have together with your children round this subject, and steps we are able to all take to assist this downside worldwide, in addition to some actually fascinating aspect tangents about Jimmy and what he does on the planet. So like I stated, powerful subject, however I feel an essential one. And I feel that you’ll be taught so much. I do know I did and didn’t notice fairly how widespread and horrific this downside is. So on that be aware, let’s be a part of Jimmy.

 

Katie: Jimmy, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

 

Jimmy: Hey, I respect you having me on, thanks.

 

Katie: Nicely, I’m excited to talk at this time a couple of subject that I feel lots of people possibly desire not to consider, however one which I feel is basically, actually essential. And that’s the subject of childhood intercourse trafficking. And I do know that’s an intense one. And we’re gonna go a whole lot of completely different instructions with this. However at the start, I’d love to listen to how you bought into this work within the first place.

 

Jimmy: Yeah, so our mutual pal, Paul Hutchinson. I used to be at a networking assembly about six years in the past and I heard him talking. He had simply received again from doing his first undercover operation that he had gone on. And as I used to be listening to him inform the story, it simply touched me in a manner that I knew I needed to be part of this. I knew this was going to be one thing I used to be gonna be concerned with for the remainder of my life. And so, I simply made it a mission of mine to by some means be capable to create sufficient worth to be part of this group that was going and doing this. And, you recognize, six, eight months later, I discovered myself on my first op. And since then, I’ve been capable of be on 12 completely different operations. However I actually simply knew once I heard it, I needed to do one thing about it. And so simply made certain that I may do every part I may to offer worth.

 

Katie: And I do know it is a factor that individuals right here could also be talked about within the media or see occasional mainstream information references to. However I really feel prefer it, hopefully, isn’t near dwelling for lots of people so usually it’s a straightforward factor to sort of ignore, however are you able to speak about how large of an issue that is worldwide and why this was so essential to you?

 

Jimmy: Yeah, I imply, I don’t know actual numbers or something like that, however I can let you know this, anytime we went to a brand new metropolis, if we went searching for it, more often than not inside 45 minutes to an hour, we may discover individuals keen to promote us children for intercourse once we had been undercover. And in order that tells you, you recognize, in lots of of those cities, I’ve been to earlier than on trip and by no means crossed my thoughts, by no means thought twice about it. However the second we went searching for it, it was that straightforward to seek out. And so, I do know that in most locations across the nation, it’s not out within the open, it’s not one thing you’d ever see or take into consideration, nevertheless it’s happening on a regular basis.

 

Katie: So really, it is a factor that would very a lot be occurring and certain is in a lot of our personal communities?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, it was actually, I imply, inside a few hours, for certain, we may discover individuals keen to promote as youngsters that had been already doing it.

 

Katie: Wow. And is that…? I do know within the analysis I’ve finished, a whole lot of that is occurring technologically now and the elevated entry to expertise is making this occur. And there are methods that that’s occurring sort of underground, even on-line, is that what you guys are seeing as properly?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. We didn’t actually do a lot with the web stuff, however I imply, when you concentrate on, you recognize, so as to, A, visitors a child, or to be the particular person on the opposite finish of that, going to search for youngsters to have intercourse with, you need to have entry to youngsters. And so prior to now, a whole lot of occasions, all that, you recognize, you’d hear about was some member of the family or possibly a trainer or one thing like that, someone that was near these children. Nicely now, due to the web, we all know there’s simply much more accessibility for these individuals seeking to do these issues. And to allow them to each visitors and discover youngsters simpler by way of the web. And so, clearly, it’s grow to be a really prevalent place the place that occurs.

 

Katie: So if you say you’ve gone on 12 completely different operations, what does that appear to be? Are you guys capable of really rescue among the children from these conditions?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So I’ve been on 12 ops that had been concerned with rescuing youngsters. So we go right down to completely different areas the place we all know one thing’s happening, or we’ve been tipped off that there could be an issue. And we might go down undercover. And our job is to enter the worst locations in these cities and discover the worst individuals and attempt to discover these which might be trafficking youngsters. And so we’re utilizing, you recognize, all of our talents to mainly attempt to discover the children and the individuals keen to promote us the children.

 

And so forth all 12 of these ops, just a few of them, you recognize, didn’t find yourself getting the children. One thing occurred, someone received tipped off, or no matter it may need been, however the majority of them went very profitable. And total, I feel I’ve been capable of be part of now rescuing over 150 youngsters and having over 45, 50 guys and girls arrested. And so, yeah, we’d actually simply go undercover, we’d go into these cities. We’d fly in and begin doing our factor that we do so as to discover them. And like I stated, generally it might take us just a few days to sort of get all of it arrange, generally it’d be very fast, however that’s sort of what it appeared like.

 

Katie: And I’ll admit, it’s considerably unfathomable to me that that is occurring and particularly on such a big scale. Like, I actually can’t even comprehend once I learn these stats. Are these like dad and mom and caregivers which might be taking part on this, are these youngsters being kidnapped, or what are you guys normally discovering?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So we see a bit of little bit of every part. So it doesn’t normally appear to be you’d suppose. So we have now seen youngsters behind cages and bars. That’s, in Haiti, that was, you recognize, the truth of the scenario one time. That’s not normally what you see although. So usually, what’s happening is a whole lot of these youngsters are trafficked both by someone they know, by a member of the family, by a pal, by a trainer. I’ll provide you with one instance. We had been in a metropolis in Latin America, and it was a seventh or eighth-grade college trainer.

 

She used her place to lure these ladies that she was educating. For instance, so she would inform them, “Hey, you recognize, I’ve received an additional $20 should you’ll go to this social gathering. We’re gonna have a celebration. It needs to be enjoyable.” Lure them into the social gathering. Subsequent factor they know, they’re being raped. And the trainer tells them, “For those who inform anyone, inform your dad and mom, then I’m gonna inform them that you simply went and had intercourse with these males. After which we’ll inform all people what you’ve finished.” After which mainly it’s a disgrace factor.

 

After which they, you recognize… And we all know this as a result of among the occasions once we had been capable of finding these traffickers, we’d be capable to faucet their telephones. And the Mexican police or the Latin police, whoever we had been working with, would eavesdrop on the conversations. And these ladies can be begging to not need to go, however they might go nonetheless. And so a whole lot of them had been even dwelling at dwelling and being trafficked out of their very own home. Loads of them, you bought a neighbor or a member of the family or someone like that’s doing it.

 

Loads of occasions, the ladies or the ladies, you recognize, they weren’t even… generally they didn’t even know the depth of the how dangerous it was, what was occurring to them. They knew that, you recognize, they had been being trafficked out, however they didn’t totally perceive. They had been too younger to essentially comprehend what was happening. So you actually see a bit of little bit of every part, however normally, it’s someone in these sorts of conditions. Loads of occasions, runaways or ladies that, you recognize, had a hassle in the home, they might go dwell with a member of the family or a pal, and subsequent factor you recognize, they’re dwelling with the traffickers or no matter which may appear to be. And so, we noticed all of that.

 

One of many first issues that we do, anytime we’re gonna go right into a metropolis, a brand new metropolis, and go undercover, we have now to verify first that they’ve all of the aftercare arrange in order that if we do a rescue and we discover these younger ladies, that they’ve aftercare set as much as assist them or to care for them. And so we wouldn’t even ever go do an op with out that setup. And a part of the rationale for that’s if we rescue the ladies and there’s no aftercare, there’s no manner to assist them, it’s really worse for them a whole lot of occasions. And so, you recognize, we work along with these organizations.

 

And so, one of many first questions that they at all times determine, or one of many first issues they determine is, “Okay. Was this particular person dwelling at dwelling? Had been they lacking? In the event that they had been lacking, had been they reported lacking?” As a result of that’s normally an indication whether or not the dad and mom had been concerned or not. And so, you recognize, we actually did a whole lot of work on the again finish to guarantee that was all taken care of. That’s a very large a part of it’s simply to guarantee that their scenario is secure at dwelling. And if not, they wouldn’t return to that scenario.

 

Katie: That was gonna be my follow-up query is what does aftercare appear to be? As a result of I can solely think about that there’s most likely so much that wants to enter this from the psychological well being aspect, from the bodily well being aspect to the logistical aspect of creating certain they’ve a secure place to be after. What all goes into that?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. Identical to you simply stated, all of that, you recognize, a whole lot of therapists, a whole lot of caretakers, lots of people. After which additionally determining what the ladies wished with their lives. Making an attempt to attach them to the precise individuals that would assist them in the event that they wished to go to highschool, in the event that they wished to have a sure profession. Somebody wished to, you recognize, bake or get into hair chopping or no matter that could be. Give them one thing the place that they had an opportunity to be taught and develop and never have to return to a foul scenario.

 

However that’s… Yeah, aftercare concerned all of the above. And by the point, you recognize, I labored so much with a gaggle known as… properly, I labored with a whole lot of completely different teams, however Youngster Liberation Basis and Operation Underground Railroad. I do know, you recognize, for these organizations, they spend much more cash. I heard as soon as, I can’t confirm this, however I heard one time they spend six occasions more cash per youngster on aftercare that they do on the precise rescues themselves.

 

Katie: Wow. Nicely, that appears tremendous, tremendous essential. What sort of age vary do you usually see when these individuals are rescued? I’m a bit of scared to ask, however I’d assume it’s largely like youngsters and younger adults, or do you see sort of throughout the board?

 

Jimmy: Often 12 to 14, 15 is sort of what most of them are. You realize, I feel the youngest I noticed was 12. I feel the oldest that we… We rescued some that weren’t underage, however you recognize, nonetheless being exploited or no matter. However the majority had been that 12 to 17, 12 to 16 vary.

 

Katie: And is there a course of for coping with the people who find themselves doing the trafficking? Like, are there in these completely different international locations and particularly within the U.S., like, is there really a means of them being dropped at justice or what does that appear to be?

 

Jimmy: Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we by no means labored within the U.S. The U.S. has, you recognize, a whole lot of enforcement companies. I do know there’s some organizations that work along with these regulation enforcement companies. However you gotta keep in mind, a whole lot of these international locations we go to, they don’t have the cash or the means to do it. And they also have reached out to us to assist them. They desperately need our assist. You realize, for instance, after I did a few ops in Mexico, they had been so grateful to us that they ended up awarding me and my group of mates that had been along with me, you recognize, diplomat standing and a few actually cool awards and issues like that as a result of they’re so grateful. As a result of, you recognize, one of many destructive stuff you hear about that is like, “Oh, the Individuals simply wanna go G.I. Joe or no matter.” And it’s actually not true in any respect. They had been so grateful to have us there to have the ability to work with them.

 

And what the Individuals are capable of do is a lot more practical as a result of we appear to be the individuals which might be happening there for the trafficking within the first place. And so we’re capable of simply get much more data. I keep in mind one op we did, you recognize, it took us about 24 hours. The pinnacle of the federal police in that nation stated, “You guys have gotten us extra data in 24 hours than we gotten in 14 months.” We had all their names, their social medias, their telephone numbers, you recognize, every part we wanted for these guys. And so for us, the chance to go down there and do this, it’s simply rather more efficient, rather more environment friendly for them. However yeah, it’s a course of of creating certain you’re working along with every authority on each single op. You’re working very carefully hand in hand.

 

Katie: And I really feel like from right here, there’s sort of a two-prong method I wanna go into. The primary being, for all of the dad and mom listening, most individuals listening are dad and mom, what can we concentrate on, indicators to search for, hopefully not in our personal youngsters for anybody listening, however in possibly different youngsters that we’re interacting with, our children’ mates, simply basically, that may be sort of warning indicators for issues like abuse and kidnapping and intercourse trafficking?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I feel it’s actually essential to show your children in the event that they’re uncomfortable with one thing, to let you recognize. I do know once I was a child, I had like a bizarre uncle and nothing ever occurred, however I simply felt uncomfortable with him. He at all times wished to kiss me on the lips like when he was saying hello and bye, and I used to be capable of get out of it. However, you recognize, I keep in mind my dad and mom being like, “Be good or no matter.” And it’s like, no, don’t. Like, should you really feel uncomfortable with one thing, that’s an indication that possibly you need to steer clear of that particular person. Or when you have, like, a neighbor that’s a bit of bit creepy, there’s most likely one thing to that. So don’t…

 

I keep in mind simply as a child, you recognize, dad and mom, a whole lot of occasions, they don’t need their children to come back off impolite, however I feel it’s essential to let your children know should you don’t wanna speak to someone otherwise you don’t wanna be good to someone that’s an grownup, that’s good. Like, let me know and also you don’t need to. You don’t need to be pleasant to all people, even when it’s your grandparent or your uncle or whoever it could be. I feel that’s one essential factor for fogeys. After which simply search for issues. Like, it’s not okay for fogeys to be mates with children. It’s not okay for fogeys to be overly pleasant with children. Or, sorry, strangers, you recognize. To be… So if someone’s attempting to love… Often, in the event that they’re gonna do one thing, nonetheless to this present day, I feel more often than not, the traffickers know the children. And so take note of that.

 

If the trainer is contacting the scholar exterior of church or college, most likely not okay. If there’s issues that they need them to maintain from you as a dad or mum, not okay. And so I feel it’s essential to only have open communication together with your children and simply allow them to know, “Hey, I’m by no means gonna get mad at you. But when there’s ever an grownup wanting to satisfy up or speak or no matter, I simply wanna know what’s happening and I’ll make certain, you recognize, to be part of it. Simply have a really open dialogue together with your children. As a result of normally it seems to be like an grownup that’s simply attempting to be good they usually’ll make you appear to be you’re the loopy one.

 

However you recognize, I feel children, particularly if children are simply uncomfortable round someone, take note of their vitality. When you have a neighbor that the child’s at all times hiding from or doesn’t wanna speak to or sort of clamps up round, that could be an indication that, you recognize, they don’t wanna be round that neighbor or one thing could be happening there. And so I feel that’s a very powerful factor so far as with individuals you recognize. So far as individuals you don’t know, I feel, once more, simply educating your children to have the ability to say, you recognize, to have the ability to say no, to yell in the event that they’re in hassle, to watch out the place they’re going, to only listen, you recognize, all the primary issues that you’d already inform your child as a dad or mum.

 

Katie: Yeah. And I feel that boundary one, particularly round bodily contact is basically, actually essential. To simply echo what you stated of even at a younger age, you recognize, not forcing our children to hug a relative in the event that they don’t need to. And train them from the second that they perceive that your physique is yours to make choices about, interval. And I help your choices about that. For those who don’t wanna…you’ll not be compelled to hug or kiss any relative, together with me. Like, that is your physique, your autonomy, and I’m your largest supporter in that.

 

And that’s additionally actually nice recommendation about simply watching grownup relationships and ensuring we’re part of them with different adults exterior the household. As a result of definitely, like, in fact, there could be mentorship conditions or academics who’re nice with the children, however there’s no purpose dad and mom can’t be concerned in these relationships as properly.

 

What concerning the social media aspect? As a result of that is an space that once I was at these ages, didn’t exist. So this was one thing I didn’t need to navigate as an adolescent. And now, as dad and mom, we’re navigating with our children fairly often from a youthful age. And I’ve learn a minimum of that fairly a little bit of the focusing on that occurs goes on by way of social media or by way of on-line channels.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So, that is a kind of issues that folks may not be very conscious of in any respect, however it is rather straightforward to contact children or teenage children by way of social media apps for these individuals. So I’ll provide you with an instance. We had been on trip undercover. Nicely, I ought to say, our group was undercover. There was, with us, one of many guys that got here down undercover, his spouse and cousin got here to be on trip within the metropolis. So earlier than the ops began, they had been hanging out. Nicely, one of many cousin was on her social media on Fb, I imagine, or Instagram.

 

And she or he had simply posted that she was on this specific seashore metropolis hanging out and received contacted by this man on there that stated, “Oh. Hey, we have now this social gathering happening. It’s on the membership, this, this. You guys ought to come.” Nicely, we noticed it later and it was one of many traffickers that we had been working with undercover in that metropolis had contacted her to come back to this social gathering. I imply, she was, I feel 19 or 20, so she wasn’t underage, however nonetheless, he didn’t know that. And who is aware of if that may’ve changed into a trafficking scenario. So a whole lot of occasions, individuals will publish their footage they usually’ll put the landmark that they’re by.

 

Nicely, these traffickers can search by a landmark, they will search by metropolis. They’ll see, you recognize, the place these individuals are after which they contact them in real-time and say, “Oh. Hey, we received this social gathering,” or, “Hey, we received this occasion happening.” And so I simply suppose it’s essential that they grow to be conscious. As a result of a whole lot of occasions, particularly teenage children and teenage ladies, they could be happening a trip they usually harmlessly are posting about the place they’re at in real-time and exhibiting that and it simply sort of opens that door. Particularly should you’re overseas, what I like to recommend to individuals to do is publish every part three or 4 days later. So wait until you allow the place you’re at.

 

For those who wanna do a video in your Instagram story, as a substitute of posting that story in real-time, you recognize, wait three days, make the video, after which publish every part just a few days later. I do know that’s not as enjoyable as doing it in real-time, however particularly overseas, I simply suppose that’s actually essential to not let individuals know the place you’re at. Loads of occasions, these are small cities, they’re seashore cities, you recognize, you’re in some Southeast Asia place or one thing or, you recognize, Latin nation, or South America, or wherever it could be. As a result of it’s a very actual factor. And likewise, it simply opens the door even for individuals…

 

You realize, and fogeys as properly, by the way in which. For those who’re posting and also you’re manner overseas otherwise you’re very far-off from dwelling and you’ve got teenage children at dwelling, properly, most likely not a good suggestion to publish in real-time both as a result of now if anyone’s been watching you and your children, they know you guys are away, they may possibly attempt to make their transfer in your child at the moment when you’re out. And so I feel it’s actually essential to only concentrate on that. I do know we wanna present the world every part we’re doing, however when you have, you recognize, teenage children, particularly your youthful children, I simply suppose it’s good time to place, you recognize, put some house in between the place you’re in order that no one can…

 

I’ve a detailed household that I’m superb mates with known as the Bucket Record Household. And also you may need heard of them earlier than. I’ve gone on a number of journeys with them, with Garrett and Jess and their household. And so they at all times wait three or 4 or 5 days to publish from the place they really are so individuals don’t know the place they’re at. They’ll’t come and, you recognize, who is aware of what they may attempt to do or no matter. And so, I discovered that from Garrett firsthand. However you recognize, it’s a fairly good concept to only publish just a few days later.

 

Katie: Yeah. That’s such a easy tip, however such an essential one. And it’s one I’ve inadvertently finished simply due to having sort of a web-based platform. I’d find yourself assembly up with individuals if I posted the place I really was, which was really nice, as a result of I like assembly up with my readers, nevertheless it made me notice like, wow, it’s really easy for individuals to determine and put the items collectively and there’s this probability of individuals being in the identical place. However once we consider it by way of this lens, particularly for youths, that could be a easy tip. It makes a complete lot of sense. I do know children are so used to posting every part and sharing their entire life on social media, however that’s such an essential tip.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I do the identical factor. Once I go, you recognize, I’m going to a whole lot of sporting occasions, and I publish that in real-time. I don’t have little children at dwelling both and stuff like that so it’s not as large of a deal. However yeah, it’s simply a kind of little issues. Additionally, simply basically, in social media, take note of who your children are speaking with. In the event that they’re youngsters, in the event that they’re on the apps, I feel it’s simply essential to have a very good relationship with them and never get mad at them should you ever see them speaking to adults as a result of they’re gonna conceal it from you in that case. And so I feel should you can actually come from a spot of understanding and curiosity and love with them, and simply allow them to know like, “Hey, I simply wanna just be sure you are protected.”

 

I simply inform them, “I simply wanna be sure you’re protected. You by no means know. I’ll by no means get mad at you, but when you recognize adults ever attain out to you, I’d like to know.” I used to be, you recognize, speaking to someone fairly lately and she or he had talked about, she’s older now, however she had talked about when she was 16 and 17, she had 37 to 39-year-old guys, you recognize, that she was happening dates with as a 16-year-old, 15-year-old. And also you’re like, “Geez, the place had been the dad and mom on this?” You realize? Nevertheless it’s actually essential to know who your children are speaking to. And so I simply suppose the extra you’ll be able to create that comfortability with them the place they’re gonna be sincere and open with you and also you don’t get mad at them for it, I feel you’re gonna be capable to present an area the place they’ll really share it with you.

 

Katie: Yeah. And the significance of simply having these open conversations. And like I stated, social media didn’t exist once I was an adolescent, however I had guys in particular person who’re a lot, a lot, a lot older attempt to make contact and speak to me. And like that felt bizarre on the time. And, like, I didn’t have a very good context essentially for, like, what do I do about this? And so I feel having these conversations together with your children actually early and ensuring, such as you stated, that they hear again and again, like, “I’ll by no means be mad at you. I’ll at all times be your advocate. And these are essential. Even should you simply have a suspicion or an inkling or one thing simply feels bizarre, we are able to speak about it, something, and you’ll not ever get in hassle for that.” Simply to create kinda that security internet.

 

And I feel the opposite a part of this, so like I feel the dad and mom being conscious with our personal children is tremendous, tremendous essential. However such as you’ve defined, it is a worldwide downside, sadly. It appears to be an growing downside nonetheless in at this time’s society. And I do know, like, as an example, me as a mother of six children, I can’t go do sting operations very simply in different international locations, however what are some ways in which we are able to become involved and assist help the training, help the battle in opposition to this for different individuals’s children and in different places?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. You realize, I feel one of the vital essential issues you are able to do is to start out with your individual self, your loved ones, the individuals that you simply affect. Paul at all times has this saying. He says, “Jimmy, I’m gonna train you a lesson concerning the circle of affect.” He says, “If it’s inside the circle you could affect it, then you have got the precise to fret about it. If it’s not inside that circle, you have got two decisions. You both don’t fear about it otherwise you make a much bigger circle as a way to affect extra and you’ll ultimately do one thing about it.”

 

So so far as, like, yeah, you’re not gonna be capable to go undercover and do these sort of issues. What you are able to do is to assist help the organizations like Youngster Liberation Basis that, you recognize, goes and does this sort of stuff. You’ll be able to help them by sharing their tales, by sharing their social medias, by sharing their posts, liking it, commenting it, simply letting the phrase get on the market. Additionally what you’re doing proper now, proper? Doing this podcast. And one of many issues that, you recognize, I’m cautious to share once I inform individuals learn how to share that is you don’t wanna share it in a manner that’s unfaithful or loopy.

 

You’ll discover I by no means give stats or numbers I don’t know. I don’t wanna throw issues on the market. As a result of what I feel what occurred with this motion a bit of bit over the past yr or two is the individuals which might be actually evil, I feel that they tried to lump on this difficulty with QAnon and a few of these different loopy theories which might be on the market. And so what it did is it sort of minimized all of it, proper? It was like, “Oh, it’s only a bunch of loopy individuals.” Nevertheless it’s like, “No. I’ve seen firsthand. I do know the issue that’s on the market. I don’t know the extent to precisely how big it’s, nevertheless it’s large and it’s an issue.”

 

However as a result of so many individuals began sounding loopy with the way in which they shared it and sharing numbers and stats that possibly weren’t true, they had been capable of lump it in and simply be like, “Yeah, that’s all simply a part of the loopy proper wing conspiracy.” And so I’m very cautious to not share issues that aren’t true. I wanna guarantee that individuals know it is a actual factor. That is occurring. It doesn’t imply that Tom Hanks is consuming youngsters. It signifies that, you recognize, that there’s a pedophile. And we all know Ghislaine Maxwell trial happening proper now. This can be a actual factor. It’s been occurring.

 

However cautious the way you share it. I share it in a manner the place it’s like, “Look, that is most likely occurring proper in your yard.” It doesn’t matter if the elites of the world are doing it within the sense that that’s not essentially what it’s essential to be sharing. What it’s essential to be sharing is, like, look, straight up on the bottom, how can I be affecting my neighborhood, my metropolis, and sort of fear concerning the issues you’ll be able to really affect? That’s the most effective factor I’m attempting to get out of that is you’re not gonna be capable to do something if the world leaders are all doing this.

 

Like, there’s not a lot you are able to do or say about that. What you may do is, in your neighborhood, assist educate individuals, assist individuals see the issue that’s on the market. After which simply assist them be, you recognize, once more, be good neighbors. The strongest neighborhoods the place this isn’t occurring is the place there may be sturdy neighborhoods, they’re serving to one another, they care about one another. They’re keen to speak to one another. And so, I feel that to me is one of the best ways to do it. After which, clearly, once more, simply spreading the notice and issues like that.

 

Katie: And I’ll make certain, I do know that there are additionally many on-line sources, together with the organizations you talked about. I’ll make certain these are linked to the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. so that you guys can learn and discover a few of these precise info to share and know what to observe for and in your individual neighborhood. I additionally totally agree with you that having sturdy communities in our native space is part of the answer. And likewise, I’ve talked about it in so many podcast episodes, it’s essential for well being, it’s essential for psychological well being, it’s essential for longevity.

 

Like, there’s a purpose blue zones have sturdy communities and that’s as a result of they’re very important to us as human animals. However that is additionally simply one other instance of why that’s so essential. And particularly for our children. I do know that is an space that’s been powerful for lots of people the final couple of years for the reason that neighborhood’s been tougher with a whole lot of the restrictions which have gone on, however one which’s very, essential to nurture.

 

And so I’ll make certain all these hyperlinks are included within the present notes. I’d like to additionally speak a bit of bit extra about you personally so individuals can perceive the work that you simply’re doing and in addition why that is, you recognize, so essential to you and the way you’re employed to enhance the world in a complete lot of various areas. And I’ve some notes in my present notes, one being, should you had been gonna give a TED Speak, it might be about sort of the concept of your e book, which is “You Finish Up The place You’re Heading.” So I’d love to listen to you speak about that a bit of bit as a result of I feel that is additionally actually related to oldsters.

 

Jimmy: Yeah, yeah. So a number of years in the past, once more, I sort of had this second the place I used to be attempting to determine what my life was gonna be about, what the aim of my life was going to be. And I felt very strongly in the end about my goal, and it’s to assist individuals dwell a rare life, to unfold love and goodness by way of having a playful spirit, and exhibiting how to do this. And so one of many issues that… I’ll let you know a fast story too. The hat that I’m sporting, it’s a brand for my firm. It’s known as “We Are The They.”

 

And the way that took place is I got here again from one in every of these ops. It was really one of the vital harmful ones we’d ever been on. And, you recognize, I used to be telling my girlfriend on the time, she picked me up on the airport, and we had been speaking all concerning the op and the way scary it was and the way cool it was as a result of we received the rescue and we took these horrible guys down. And I’m telling her all about it and she or he pulls over and she or he goes, “Hey, I gotta be sincere. I don’t need you to go do that anymore.” And I used to be like, “What do you imply? I simply rescued these children. Like, that is my life’s goal right here. You realize, it’s gonna be an enormous a part of it.”

 

And she or he says, “Nicely, I do know, nevertheless it’s simply such a foul setting.”It’s simply actually scary. It’s harmful.” And she or he stated, “Why can’t they only go do it?” And with out considering, I stated, “Nicely, there isn’t any they, we’re the they.” And as quickly as I stated it, I used to be like ‘Oh, shit, that’s…” And, you recognize, and I knew… And in order that turned the mannequin for my life is “We’re the they.” And in order that, you recognize, once more, along with the e book, I simply attempt to assist individuals. I coach males learn how to grow to be the most effective model of themselves. It’s a gaggle known as “We Are The They.”

 

And mainly, we simply, by way of being males of integrity, by way of being sincere about what, you recognize, I seen over time, the individuals that may attain out to me probably the most, they wished neighborhood they usually wished a secure place the place they may open up and have individuals love them by way of progress and attempting to grow to be the most effective model of themselves. And in order that’s the place I began that. The e book primarily follows what known as the hero’s journey, which is the trail that all of us go on.

 

And I feel it’s essential in life to do not forget that attending to the place we’re attempting to get, it’s not a easy path. It’s not a straightforward path. However that journey, that hero’s journey that we go on. And mainly, should you’ve by no means considered what you need your life to appear to be, you’re simply gonna find yourself the place you’re heading. You’re simply gonna go wherever the wind sort of takes you. No matter particular person desires you to be part of their story, they’ll add you in as a bit. And normally, you’ll spend your life constructing their dream or their factor.

 

And so if you recognize what you need, should you get crystal clear on the place you’re attempting to go and what you’re attempting to do… You realize, you requested me on the very starting of this, how did you get into this? And in the end, it’s as straightforward as I simply determined I used to be going to do that. I made that call. I had a why big after which I discovered learn how to make that occur. And in order that’s that manner with every part in life. I simply sort of, you recognize, by way of the e book and thru my teaching program, encourage individuals to determine precisely what they need in life after which go about determining why that’s what they need after which determining learn how to go about doing it.

 

Katie: Yeah. I feel that’s so essential. I haven’t had an opportunity to learn it but, however I’m positively going to take a look at your e book. I even have a be aware in my present notes that you’ve an honorary doctorate diploma from 13 universities in Mexico. And I really feel like I want to listen to extra about this.

 

Jimmy: Yeah, that was a part of… So we did a whole lot of these ops early on. We had been in Mexico. We had been capable of rescue a whole lot of children down there they usually had been so grateful to us for doing this. Like I stated, they didn’t have the flexibility, the means to do it. And so, a number of years in the past, they flew up, most likely 30, 35 officers from Mexico flew up, and we did a particular ceremony on the Capitol constructing right here in Utah with the Lawyer Normal of Utah. They gave us honorary doctorate levels.

 

So I’ve this group of buddies from highschool. There’s eight of us which might be all greatest mates. And two of them turned medical doctors. One’s an orthopedist surgeon and one’s a plastic surgeon. And I made the joke to them. I stated, “Gosh, guys, who would’ve ever thought that three of us would grow to be medical doctors, you recognize?” And so they didn’t suppose that was very humorous since they put 15 years of faculty into it. Nevertheless it was simply sort of an honor that we received to have, simply one thing sort of cool and one thing sort of attention-grabbing I put in my bio.

 

Katie: I even have a be aware that you simply’ve been to 84 international locations. And I’d love to listen to just some of the highest ones that you’d advocate probably the most.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So in reality, what occurred, I’ll inform the story of why I began doing that. So in 2014, I had a buddy, his identify was Eric Hill. And he had a aim, he was gonna go to each single nation within the shortest period of time ever. And he’d gotten to I feel over 50 of them in lower than 6 or 7 months. And he was doing this world odyssey. And he ended up passing away. He was paragliding and had an accident and died. And I keep in mind there was this, sort of, this hashtag that went round, #livelikeEric.

 

And what that meant to me was this man was really dwelling his life. He was doing all these wonderful issues and going and simply dwelling his life. And I remembered I hadn’t been overseas in years. I’d been simply working my butt off on a regular basis. And I stated to myself, I stated, you recognize, “If I died tomorrow, like, the tragedy that that may be.” And so I simply made it a aim. I simply stated, “I’m simply gonna go see the world.” And so I began touring, went on a number of journeys with mates, with teams of mates, with, you recognize, someone I used to be relationship, after which went on a number of on my own too.

 

And what I found is simply this world, when you determine, like, how lovely the world is, if you really can respect the world for every part it’s, you have got a a lot stronger need to put it aside, a a lot stronger need to do good on the planet, I feel. And so for me, I actually encourage all people, drop a whole lot of prejudices and also you’re capable of actually see individuals and perceive that we’re all a part of the identical human household. However to select just a few, I’d say, you recognize, Eire and Scotland and Iceland are wonderful. Everybody of their lives ought to do an African safari.

 

You realize, I keep in mind sleeping out in the course of the bush in Zimbabwe and waking up there’s lions 200-feet away and there’s monkeys swinging within the timber above us. And a honey badger actually crawled proper as much as my leg. And I keep in mind sitting on this berm overlooking this sort of this hill and into sort of like a marsh and there was hippos and within the distance, there’s giraffes and rhinos. And it’s simply probably the most surreal factor that… You begin to go go to all these individuals. What actually is cool goes and visiting the native individuals in all these locations, you recognize? And also you begin to simply actually have a love for humanity. It actually drops any prejudices you have got.

 

I do know I went a few years in the past to Egypt with a pal of mine. And he grew up there and his household nonetheless lives there. And we spent just a few days with them after we went and noticed the pyramids and all that. And this household was, you recognize, a Muslim household. And I’m in Utah. We don’t have very many minorities, simply being sincere with you. You sort of concern what you don’t know and so that you’re at all times just a bit bit afraid of these individuals. And so going over there although and feeling their like to me. And so they introduced me into their properties and fed us and probably the most wonderful meals and simply the way in which they handled us and honored us was actually particular.

 

And I noticed, you recognize, all these stuff you’re afraid of in life, when you get close to them, you not are. And, you recognize, Brené Brown talks about this on a regular basis, leaning into individuals. Similar factor with animals. The truth is, I’m an enormous shark man. I like sharks. I like to swim with sharks. I’ve swum with 15 completely different species of sharks, together with bull sharks, tiger sharks, all this with out a cage. And when you have got a tiger shark coming at you, proper? I used to be in the course of the Atlantic Ocean. It’s 15-feet lengthy. It’s this large… It seems to be like a miniature bus coming at you, however you’re feeling its vitality towards you. And as a substitute of being afraid, you’re simply in amazement and surprise.

 

This factor lives right here on this physique of water and it’s developing and it’s simply curious, and it’s you and also you’re it. There’s no cage. It’s simply this alternate of vitality and love and it actually modifications your view in direction of most issues. And so, a part of what I train, you recognize, the lads in my teaching program is we go do scary issues as a result of we have now these irrational fears from what we’re advised to imagine from society. You realize, the information media wants you to be in concern in order that they will, you recognize, promote. I imply, you recognize, concern sells and all these various things. And so what we attempt to do is by touring and by going and experiencing all this, it’s such a fantastic world on the market. And I feel that’s the great thing about touring.

 

Katie: I agree with you. I’ve thought with my very own children is, like, I do know I can look again and notice among the harder occasions of my life helped me grow to be the particular person I’m at this time. And but I don’t wanna deliberately create a troublesome life for my children. And journey’s sort of the right answer as a result of there’s a whole lot of inherent issue that comes together with journey. And such as you stated, you achieve a complete new perspective on humanity and on the world and the way we’re all a lot extra related and comparable than we regularly develop up once we develop up in a homogenous space. And so journey’s positively a core worth for us as properly. Though you have got traveled to many, many extra locations, which is superior and provoking.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. You do a whole lot of problem-solving if you journey, to your level, you recognize, is attempting to determine issues out on the go and you’ll’t converse the language and also you gotta determine stuff and also you simply do. You simply find yourself figuring it out. However I like that concept as a dad or mum to, you recognize, assist your children develop.

 

Katie: After which lastly, on my notes, I’ve a be aware that you simply’re the President of the Chris Farley Fan Membership. And I really feel like that wants some clarification as properly.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So me and my mates, once we had been in highschool, I used to be a Sophomore in highschool when Chris Farley handed away, and we had been simply such large followers. I imply, I wished to be Chris Farley. Most guys, you recognize, most children most likely wished to be an athlete or wished to be one of many film stars that was getting all the ladies. I wished to be Chris Farley. I simply thought he was the most effective ever. And so me and my mates, the day he handed away, which is December 18th, really it was simply yesterday, was two days in the past, sorry, it was Chris Farley Day. December 18th was the day he handed away. So we’d get collectively yearly and watch all his motion pictures.

 

After which one yr… You realize, I used to be at all times simply Googling Chris Farley trying into issues. And I keep in mind one yr, again in possibly 2002 or 2003, I Googled Chris Farley and there was a basis arrange by his brother, Tom, the place they had been elevating cash to assist, you recognize, hold children off medicine. So I reached out to him and we began a relationship. After which a couple of yr later, two years later, Chris Farley received a star on Hollywood and we received invited out to come back to it. And Tom stated, “Hey, I imply, you guys are mainly the fan membership. Why don’t you come on out and are available to the star ceremony?”

 

And so we got here out, went to the occasion. It was very personal. I feel there was possibly 70 individuals. I imply, we’re speaking it’s Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, David Spade, Tom Arnold, Gary Busey, the fellows from Paramount, his household, and us. And it was very intimate. And received to the star ceremony, went to the after-party, and frolicked with all people. It was sort of a celebration, but additionally sort of somber. You realize, I keep in mind Adam Sandler simply being tremendous unhappy and… However then and we, yeah, turned the unofficial official Chris Farley Fan Membership that day. And so I turned the president of that.

 

We did an occasion a few years later right here in Utah the place, you recognize, his brothers got here in and we did this large social gathering to boost cash for the muse. And we had, like, pizza and it was the meat lovers pizza within the trunk pizza part. We had the hen wings. There was the Tommy likey, Tommy Need Wingy hen wings. And had standup comedians come and performed all his motion pictures. And so I keep in contact fairly frequently together with his brothers to this present day, had them on my podcast final yr. We speak about it on a regular basis. And only a particular little connection I feel to this man that I by no means met however have been capable of create a whole lot of, you recognize, the enjoyment that I had as a child by way of life was by way of him. So I’ve sort of honored him that manner.

 

Katie: What a cool story.

 

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And as we get towards the tip of time, one other query I like to ask is that if there’s a e book or plenty of books which have had a profound affect in your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I’m an enormous reader. And so I used to learn 50 to 100 books a yr for a very long time. That was most likely earlier than I began my podcast. That’s what I’d do. Now I, you recognize, examine a whole lot of podcasts and podcast visitors so I can get individuals on my podcast. However I nonetheless learn fairly a bit. And I’d say, if I may decide one e book that each man ought to learn known as “The Approach of the Superior Man” by David Deida. David has personally been a coach of mine as properly, however he’s, I imply, that e book, simply nails, learn how to present up as a person.

 

However that’s one e book that had an enormous profound change on my life. So many, however “Suppose and Develop Wealthy,” you recognize, “The 4 Agreements,” these are all books that I attempt to learn a minimum of as soon as yearly or two. After which something by Brene Brown is particular and teaches you learn how to love humanity a bit of bit higher. And so, yeah, these are a few of my favorites.

 

Katie: And I do know that past a e book, you’ve finished a lot on the planet we didn’t even get to speak about at this time, together with a whole lot of work in actual property and a lot extra. So the place can individuals discover you on-line and continue to learn about all of the stuff you’re doing?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. The most effective place to seek out me, my Instagram is @mrjimmyrex, and I publish every part that I’m doing on there. Anytime I’m talking, anytime I’ve occasions, my new podcasts that come out, any, you recognize, events that I’m internet hosting or throwing any charity occasions for this charity or others that I’m doing, I share on there. And so simply observe me on @mrjimmyrex. That’s most likely one of the best ways. And be at liberty to achieve out anytime if I may help in any manner. I’m superb at getting again to individuals in my DMs. I do all that myself and so blissful to assist anyone if, you recognize, if there’s a necessity that I can help you.

 

Katie: Thanks a lot. And like I stated, I’ll make certain we hyperlink to the entire various things we’ve talked about, particularly the organizations that individuals can help if they will’t actively go do work on this space, in addition to to your entire locations that you simply dwell on-line. However Jimmy, thanks a lot for taking the time to be right here at this time. You may have such an enchanting story and the entire adventures of your life. And I’m so grateful for you educating about this and for the work that you simply’ve finished immediately to assist with this downside worldwide.

 

Jimmy: Nicely, thanks. It’s one thing that, you recognize, when you get into it and also you begin doing it, you notice how particular it’s, how particular to have the ability to assist these individuals which might be on this scenario. I imply, we even have gone in and seen the ladies being, you recognize, in these positions and we’ve been capable of have the rescues. And it’ll change you and it modifications you without end. And so it’s particular to me. It’s particular to have the ability to share about it and assist different individuals grow to be conscious. And so if I can ever do anything to assist unfold consciousness, I’m at all times out there. And thanks once more for having me on.

 

Katie: Thanks a lot for being right here. And thanks as at all times to all of you who’re listening for sharing your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

 

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